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		<title>Comment on Winter Camping With Kids by =]</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No!!!<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Camping With Kids by Laura H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow there is quite the array of answers here!
Before I say anything, I have a cousin with DS who is 27 so I have very close relatives that know what it is like.

First, I don&#039;t think it is fair to judge somebody based on this situation. Unless it is you personally in this situation you can&#039;t just say &quot;it&#039;s a sin to abort&quot; or &quot;well i&#039;ll just abort the pregnancy&quot; because it all seems plain and simple now but when it is happening to you personally all the emotions are different.  It is a woman&#039;s personal decision.  

Think about things such as what would the quality of life be for the baby? Depending on the severity, they might be suffering their whole life. And obviously to care for this child they are going to need constant care and supervision for the rest of their life which means either one parent is going to have to quit their job or hire a caretaker (think big $$$), what if the family can&#039;t afford it? And since you already have many children financially it could be very difficult if someone had to quit their job to stay home and take care of the child for the entire family not just for the 1 child who needs care.

Also question, what test did you have done? Did you just get preliminary tests that give a % of the chance of DS? Or did you go and get an amniocentesis which gives more accurate results? Since I noticed you said the baby MIGHT have DS...because what if the baby didnt&#039; have DS?

And as for talking to your children about it, I think they are definitely too young to understand the concept of abortion. The best bet for now is to tell the children that the baby was sick and didn&#039;t make it. And perhaps in the future when they are older if you so choose they will understand better.

Good luck in whatever you decide.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow there is quite the array of answers here!<br />
Before I say anything, I have a cousin with DS who is 27 so I have very close relatives that know what it is like.</p>
<p>First, I don&#8217;t think it is fair to judge somebody based on this situation. Unless it is you personally in this situation you can&#8217;t just say &quot;it&#8217;s a sin to abort&quot; or &quot;well i&#8217;ll just abort the pregnancy&quot; because it all seems plain and simple now but when it is happening to you personally all the emotions are different.  It is a woman&#8217;s personal decision.  </p>
<p>Think about things such as what would the quality of life be for the baby? Depending on the severity, they might be suffering their whole life. And obviously to care for this child they are going to need constant care and supervision for the rest of their life which means either one parent is going to have to quit their job or hire a caretaker (think big $$$), what if the family can&#8217;t afford it? And since you already have many children financially it could be very difficult if someone had to quit their job to stay home and take care of the child for the entire family not just for the 1 child who needs care.</p>
<p>Also question, what test did you have done? Did you just get preliminary tests that give a % of the chance of DS? Or did you go and get an amniocentesis which gives more accurate results? Since I noticed you said the baby MIGHT have DS&#8230;because what if the baby didnt&#8217; have DS?</p>
<p>And as for talking to your children about it, I think they are definitely too young to understand the concept of abortion. The best bet for now is to tell the children that the baby was sick and didn&#8217;t make it. And perhaps in the future when they are older if you so choose they will understand better.</p>
<p>Good luck in whatever you decide.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Camping With Kids by Shelly M TTC#1 M/C 12-18-08</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelly M TTC#1 M/C 12-18-08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sister in law has Downs and she is such a blessing to our family. Here she is with me on my wedding day. Seeing how my DH cares for her is one of the reasons that made me fall in love with him. My mother in law told me that since the day she was born, she has never once asked herself &quot;why me?&quot;  She is so bright and a self sufficient. I truly believe God would never give you anything you can&#039;t handle. 

I also do a lot of work with a foundation that helps people Down Syndrome. You also don&#039;t know if your baby really does have Downs and to what extent. Doctors do also make mistakes. This is a factor that my DH and I have had to consider. Even though my sister in law&#039;s DS isn&#039;t the hereditary type, we still have to consider the fact that it could happen to us. If it did, we would give that baby all the love we had inside us. 

I am not trying to be rude, but please don&#039;t post these types of questions on TTC. Please use other pregnancy forums. A lot of us would give anything in the world to be in your shoes, with a disabled baby or not. We go to these message boards to get advice on how to conceive and support each other through experiences that have happened to us that are out of our control. Knowing that someone is asking us how to tell their children they are throwing that gift away is heart wrenching. 

I think God blesses the world with these children to remind us of how precious life is and God&#039;s message comes in many forms, be it a child with DS. I was PG and miscarried a few weeks ago. It was a heart-wrenching experience and I would give my right arm to blessed with a child to raise with love.

Edit: BTW my SIL has no health problems other than speech issues and thyroid problems. She brightens up the room&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;personal experience</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sister in law has Downs and she is such a blessing to our family. Here she is with me on my wedding day. Seeing how my DH cares for her is one of the reasons that made me fall in love with him. My mother in law told me that since the day she was born, she has never once asked herself &quot;why me?&quot;  She is so bright and a self sufficient. I truly believe God would never give you anything you can&#8217;t handle. </p>
<p>I also do a lot of work with a foundation that helps people Down Syndrome. You also don&#8217;t know if your baby really does have Downs and to what extent. Doctors do also make mistakes. This is a factor that my DH and I have had to consider. Even though my sister in law&#8217;s DS isn&#8217;t the hereditary type, we still have to consider the fact that it could happen to us. If it did, we would give that baby all the love we had inside us. </p>
<p>I am not trying to be rude, but please don&#8217;t post these types of questions on TTC. Please use other pregnancy forums. A lot of us would give anything in the world to be in your shoes, with a disabled baby or not. We go to these message boards to get advice on how to conceive and support each other through experiences that have happened to us that are out of our control. Knowing that someone is asking us how to tell their children they are throwing that gift away is heart wrenching. </p>
<p>I think God blesses the world with these children to remind us of how precious life is and God&#8217;s message comes in many forms, be it a child with DS. I was PG and miscarried a few weeks ago. It was a heart-wrenching experience and I would give my right arm to blessed with a child to raise with love.</p>
<p>Edit: BTW my SIL has no health problems other than speech issues and thyroid problems. She brightens up the room<br /><b>References : </b><br />personal experience</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Camping With Kids by Jenniferxox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenniferxox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether you choose to have an abortion or not is your business and nobody can tell you what to do, however I don&#039;t think you should post this topic in a TTC category.  You are lucky you never had to experience infertility, but for soo many women sacrificing everything they have and wishing to be in your shoes, it&#039;s very insensitive to put the fact that you&#039;re pregnant and don&#039;t want this baby in the TTC section.  Good luck with everything anyhow!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;P.S. I agree with Stevie on everything, and Stevie I am in the same boat as you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether you choose to have an abortion or not is your business and nobody can tell you what to do, however I don&#8217;t think you should post this topic in a TTC category.  You are lucky you never had to experience infertility, but for soo many women sacrificing everything they have and wishing to be in your shoes, it&#8217;s very insensitive to put the fact that you&#8217;re pregnant and don&#8217;t want this baby in the TTC section.  Good luck with everything anyhow!<br /><b>References : </b><br />P.S. I agree with Stevie on everything, and Stevie I am in the same boat as you are.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Camping With Kids by Gia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOU HAVE DOWNS SYNDROME&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU HAVE DOWNS SYNDROME<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Camping With Kids by Stevie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should tell your children you miscarried. When they are old enough to understand you can tell them the truth. 
While I dont think you should have posted this in the TTC forum (some of us have been trying for years to conceive) I understand why you dont want to keep the baby to term. The chance that your child could have DS is scary... and I dont think its fair to be selfish enough to bring a child into this world knowing they wont have a chance at a full life. 
To those throwing judgement and talking about how it is a great sin against God... remember 2 things.... ALL sins are equal in Gods eyes and &quot;let he who is without sin cast the first stone&quot; Unless you are perfect and have never sinned, you have no right to judge this woman for her decisions. 

I have never been in your shoes, and I hope I never have to be, but though my husband and I have been trying for 3 years for a baby we decided a long time ago that we would do the same thing as you are. 

I wish you the best of luck and I hope you never have to go through this again.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should tell your children you miscarried. When they are old enough to understand you can tell them the truth.<br />
While I dont think you should have posted this in the TTC forum (some of us have been trying for years to conceive) I understand why you dont want to keep the baby to term. The chance that your child could have DS is scary&#8230; and I dont think its fair to be selfish enough to bring a child into this world knowing they wont have a chance at a full life.<br />
To those throwing judgement and talking about how it is a great sin against God&#8230; remember 2 things&#8230;. ALL sins are equal in Gods eyes and &quot;let he who is without sin cast the first stone&quot; Unless you are perfect and have never sinned, you have no right to judge this woman for her decisions. </p>
<p>I have never been in your shoes, and I hope I never have to be, but though my husband and I have been trying for 3 years for a baby we decided a long time ago that we would do the same thing as you are. </p>
<p>I wish you the best of luck and I hope you never have to go through this again.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Camping With Kids by whatsianyway</title>
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		<dc:creator>whatsianyway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends. The 11 year old is the only one I would tell, and then only if it&#039;s a girl, and only if she&#039;s a mature girl (I mean emotionally, not phisically, they don&#039;t go hand in hand. The rest of them, I think the information could actually be damaging to them. They don&#039;t fully understand it, even if they&#039;ve heard about abortion from others, hearing that their own mother did it, without fully understanding the implications,could leave them with lasting scars.

I know, I was told something when I was young that I didn&#039;t fully understand. I didn&#039;t know then that I didn&#039;t understand, but I walked around for years thinking something happened when it actually was very differrent. Now, even though I&#039;m an adult and know the truth, those years of living with a misconception left their mark.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends. The 11 year old is the only one I would tell, and then only if it&#8217;s a girl, and only if she&#8217;s a mature girl (I mean emotionally, not phisically, they don&#8217;t go hand in hand. The rest of them, I think the information could actually be damaging to them. They don&#8217;t fully understand it, even if they&#8217;ve heard about abortion from others, hearing that their own mother did it, without fully understanding the implications,could leave them with lasting scars.</p>
<p>I know, I was told something when I was young that I didn&#8217;t fully understand. I didn&#8217;t know then that I didn&#8217;t understand, but I walked around for years thinking something happened when it actually was very differrent. Now, even though I&#8217;m an adult and know the truth, those years of living with a misconception left their mark.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Camping With Kids by tokra417</title>
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		<dc:creator>tokra417</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tell them the truth....mommy&#039;s going to kill you brother or sister because it MIGHT not come out perfect....&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tell them the truth&#8230;.mommy&#8217;s going to kill you brother or sister because it MIGHT not come out perfect&#8230;.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Camping With Kids by ekhawk1</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekhawk1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will tell you that I know someone who was told her son would have DS, when he was born Dad asked the nurses when he would &quot;look Downs&quot;, the nurse said you would be able to tell immediately and that he wasn&#039;t.  Those tests are not 100%...However, I wouldn&#039;t tell the kids you had an abortion, I agree with the others who said tell them the baby is sick and isn&#039;t going to make it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will tell you that I know someone who was told her son would have DS, when he was born Dad asked the nurses when he would &quot;look Downs&quot;, the nurse said you would be able to tell immediately and that he wasn&#8217;t.  Those tests are not 100%&#8230;However, I wouldn&#8217;t tell the kids you had an abortion, I agree with the others who said tell them the baby is sick and isn&#8217;t going to make it.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Winter Camping With Kids by Inspired929609</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inspired929609</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why in the world would you post that here???  the child &quot;might&quot; have DS so with out any confirmed proof you are going to terminate a life ....  I am sorry that you even have to make that choice but the conditions and lies that would be involved are even worse . Btw Rather than tell a lie just wait til each individual child asks and give them answers that are clear and honest  Good Luck and God Bless .&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why in the world would you post that here???  the child &quot;might&quot; have DS so with out any confirmed proof you are going to terminate a life &#8230;.  I am sorry that you even have to make that choice but the conditions and lies that would be involved are even worse . Btw Rather than tell a lie just wait til each individual child asks and give them answers that are clear and honest  Good Luck and God Bless .<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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